|Insightful post that applies to most mmos: http://playervsdeveloper.blogspot.com/2009/05/800lb-content-gorilla-attacks-middle.html|
|(at least, that I've played)|
|Eve manages to avoid that pitfall by having other players be the end game content|
|Sort of. All the major mmos have PvP as well|
|Some wow players happily pvp their lives away|
|WAR is all pvp, sieges, etc|
|agreed. But Eve has no "raiding" culture to complian and burn through content|
|Right..... so it doesn't avoid the pitfall so much as totally abdicate any notion of a PVE game|
|The major complaint I have heard is that it can be viciously grindy when not at war|
|i.e. mine, mine, mine, mine, mine, .....|
Then we got into a discussion about the existence of grind in Eve and how there can be nothing to do at times. Apparently he heard that complaint from Eve players (either former or existing) in a podcast (until I hear it myself I will refrain from naming names ).
I'm not denying that there is a grind in Eve for ISK as nothing is for free (although you can have tons of fun in a Tech I frigate with cheap modules if you know where to go), but I took exception to the "viciously grindy" part and the "mine, mine, mine" part.
For one thing, there are a ton of activities in Eve to make the ISK you need for purchasing ships for PvP. Some are combat related like:
Exploration - especially since wormhole space opened up
Other ISK making careers are more about the "builder":
Tech I Manufacturing
Invention & Tech II Manufacturing
Reverse Engineering & Tech III Manufacturing
And then there are the market careers:
Station Trader (aka buy & reselling)
Commodities Trader (aka haul cheap items to lucrative markets)
And finally we have the meta-game services career:
High Sec POS Anchorer
PLEX purchaser (ok, not so much a career as a short cut)
Kill Board Host
* * * * *
What I'm saying is that to me a grind is an activity you HAVE to do for an end goal but is not desirable to do. To say that all you do is mine between wars is extremely simplistic and simply untrue for the majority of the population. If that is someone's complaint than I think that is a failure of their imagination in a sandbox that does not direct you to the next task as much as some other games might do.
I myself have never mined for personal ISK although I have done a couple sessions for corp activities before. In fact, the only time I felt like I experienced grind in Eve is when trying to get good standings with corporations and factions.
Yes, I'm a fanboy. I have never played any other MMOs and I may be far to close to the subject to be objective. And perhaps Andrew misheard or misintrepreted the complaints, or maybe he heard correctly and the person making them has a point from that persepective. But "mine, mine, mine, mine" between wars is simply not true.