Showing posts with label Eve News Wars. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Eve News Wars. Show all posts

Friday, May 20, 2016

The Current Eve News Meta

The articles from TheMittani.com and EveNews24.com about fighting in Saranen appeared in my news feed about the same time, while the Crossing Zebras article appeared a couple days bit later.

At first glance, the two earlier articles gives vastly different impressions about what's been happening in Saranen, with TMC reporting that the Money Badger Coalition was "obliterated" while EN24 is celebrating the destruction of 6 Imperium Citadels. Let's dive into the articles and see what's going on.

TMC:

On May 16, just before 0100 EVE time, a fight kicked off on the Imperium’s staging station in Saranen. In an all too common situation, the Imperium was being held inside their station as Pandemic Legion insta-lock Lokis camped them in.
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A ping went out to round up the troops for a fight against Pandemic Legion, prompting the Imperium to form a Hurricane fleet. The fight began, and as Pandemic legion undocked an Apostle for triage support, they soon realized the fight was not in their favor. In an attempt to dominate the field, Pandemic Legion jumped in at least nine dreadnoughts and nearly twenty Apostles.
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Although Northern Coalition came in with T3 cruisers to support their friends, the Imperium fleet reached what they call “critical mass”, which enables the fleet to attack with full capacity and effectiveness. This meant terrible news for the NC, as hails of gunfire one-shot their T3s. Pandemic Legion's answer was full-on escalation; however, as they jumped in their super capitals, two titans bumped and were hurled away from the main fleet.One of the titans lit a cyno, bringing in multiple FAX carriers and supercarriers into the mix.
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Although the Imperium took 681 losses during the fight, they still managed to destroy nearly 100B ISK in ships belonging to the MBC, while taking 55B ISK in damages. 

And the article on EN24:
[H]eavy fighting erupted in Saranen on May 17th.
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Fighting began at 20:40 as multiple Money Badger Coalition entities headed from their respective staging systems towards the Lonetrek, Fade and Pure Blind regions, anticipating the simultaneous activation of nearly a dozen citadels in the area. The first major engagement of the day occurred when a fleet of 40 Pandemic Horde (REKTD) T1 Cruisers were destroyed in the D2-HOS system by Goonswarm Federation (CONDI) Purifiers. Despite incurring heavy losses during the engagement they succeeded in destroying an Imperium citadel in the system. Similar scenes played out across Pure Blind and Fade with 9 Imperium Astrahus-class citadels eliminated by the end of the evening.
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The main battle began, however, at 20:50 as a Circle-of-Two (CO2) titan bridged a Nightmare fleet onto Imperium forces forming up on the Karjataimon gate in the Imperium staging system of Saranen. With their main fleets (a Hurricane and Grindr fleet) engaged on the Karjataimon gate, an Imperium interceptor fleet attempted to prevent Money Badger Coalition reinforcements from reaching the battle via the 93PI-4 or Tartoken systems.
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Fighting lasted a little over one and a half hours, not least due to the effects of 1% time dilation. By the end of the fight on the Karjataimon gate cynos which had been lit to bridge in MBC fleets were only just ending. By 22:40, Imperium fleets had been completely driven from the field, having lost 363 of their 776 ships at a substantial cost of 84 billion ISK in ships and a further 20 billion ISK in citadels. [...] Money Badger Coalition lost a total of 233 ships and an estimated 37 billion ISK during the engagement. Despite incurring heavy losses both in ships and money, Imperium were however successfully able to online a medium-sized Astrahus-class citadel in Saranen as the MBC fleets failed to engage it while it repaired due to coordination issues. 
At first I thought the dates were the same and one was simply giving the EVE Date Time and the other the date time of when the evening started, but reading through you quickly realize these are two different fights on separate days, even though the latter article from EN24 does not reference the fighting on May 16th. Furthermore, the lack of any mention of Citadels in the TMC article makes a lot more sense when you realize that the fighting over the structures happened a day later.

Personally, my opinion is that the TMC article was easier to read as it was framed more like a story while the EN24 article had more facts/stats but less flow.

Let's turn to the Crossing Zebras article:

On 16 and 17 May, the Imperium and Money Badger Coalition engaged in a pair of large scale engagements in the lowsec system Saranen. The battle on 17 May was particularly significant, and at its height it saw over 2,500 pilots in local – the highest for World War Bee since the battles of M-OEE8 and UQ9-3C on 28 March and 1 April, which each saw single system totals of around 3,500 pilots.

Immediately we have context that there were two battles without having to guess.

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On 16 May MBC fleets continued their attacks on Saranen, with fleets of subcapitals skirmishing throughout the day. Response fleets formed to try and drive the campers away, but for most of the day, the Imperium fleets once again got the worst of it, including one sortie where 83 Hurricane battlecruisers died in exchange for one Apostle Force Auxiliary and a scattering of lighter ships. However in the late evening NA time (early 17 May EVE time), things escalated rapidly and the Imperium found itself with an opportunity to more than even the score.
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When the space-dust settled over the last of the engagements, the MBC had suffered its largest defeat of the war. Killboards showed 472 ships worth 99.2 billion ISK lost for the MBC, including two carriers, six dreadnoughts and twelve FAXes. The Imperium had traded 697 ships worth 55.06 billion ISK for the victory. Hurricane losses were particularly heavy, and there were stories about heroic/entrepreneurial Imperium jump freighter pilots arriving while the battle was still raging to deliver replacements .

This is congruent with the account from TMC article.
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On 16 May, GSF had also deployed nine Astrahus citadels throughout Fade and Pure Blind, and a tenth in Saranen. These citadels were all timed to anchor on 17 May, and pilots in the MBC realized that coming off the high of the previous day’s victory, the Imperium might well show for this one, and in force.
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Imperium attempts to contest the attacks on the citadels outside of Saranen focused on the D2-HOS system in Pure Blind. This system is located in the center of the S4GH-I constellation, which at the time of the battle was still largely in Imperium hands.  A trap by a suiciding interdictor, warping into the center of the Horde fleet and bubbling as bombers dropped cloak and launched, opened the fighting between Horde’s Caracals and the Imperium bombers. Continuing engagements across D2-HOS resulted in the loss of some 115 Horde frigates and cruisers worth 3.23 billion ISK, in return for 22 bombers and interdictors, worth 2.81 billion ISK.
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All nine citadels were destroyed within minutes of each other, successfully completing the dispersed part of the operation.
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Meanwhile, in Saranen the main event was just getting started. With the Imperium fleet of several hundred Hurricanes sitting on the Karjataimon gate in Saranen, Circle of Two kicked in the door when their 200 man fleet of Nightmare battleships bridged through and engaged on the gate. As the outmatched Hurricanes warped away, an Imperium Grindr Fleet of Megathrons and Apocalypse landed and was immediately attacked as more MBC forces from PL, Waffles, NCdot, TEST and The Culture, began pouring in from all directions.  Local climbed to 2,500, with about 700 Imperium engaged against over 1,500 MBC.
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When it was over, the MBC had lost 93 ships worth 28.73 billion ISK, while the Imperium had lost 391 ships worth 69.18 billion ISK.
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Despite suffering much heavier losses than the MBC this time around, the Imperium had not been completely defeated. The anchoring timer for the Astrahaus in Saranen was not affected by the extreme TiDi, and ticked down at the normal rate while all the attacking ships went into slow motion. This left the MBC without enough time to warp to the “Goonristas Rally Point,” and attack it before it finished anchoring. Although the whole operation had been costly for the Imperium, the survival of the Saranen citadel made it at least a partial success.

And this account lines up with the EN24 article. And they finish up with some analysis:

When added together, losses for the big fights on the Monday and Tuesday are near even, with both sides losing around 130 billion in Saranen. The MBC once again demonstrated the ability to conduct multiple co-ordinated attacks on simultaneous citadel deployments across Fade and Pure Blind. The destruction of those nine Astrahus allowed the attackers to maintain offensive momentum without having to worry about new Goon bases behind the lines. The MBC also demonstrated that it retains the ability to rally overwhelming force from its member alliances when presented a suitable target, such as Goon citadel deployment.
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The MBC’s ability to use capitals and super-caps presents a continued problem for the Imperium, whose own super-caps remain inactive. The Imperium’s counter strategy appears to be to target MBC capitals where possible and induce some caution in their use, while at the same time doing what they can to induce fatigue in the subcap forces the capital powers can call on for assistance. Asher believes this targeting in the battle on the 16th bore some fruit in the battle on the 17th, where the MBC only committed a small number of capital ships, and only after the outcome of the subcap battle was already clear.
The anchoring of the Saranen citadel also provides the Imperium with more tangible benefits. The citadel tethering mechanic has been shown to greatly reduce the effects of station camping. Although it is too soon to make definitive claims, on 18 May Imperium losses in Saranen fell to 6.81 billion ISK, a sharp reversal of the previous upward trend. While the lifespan of the Goonristas Rally Point will likely prove to be quite short (as is the sad fate of all such anomalies), it should provide the Goons a welcome respite until its demise. GSF is already deploying several more citadels as potential replacements.
If you were wondering who is winning the EVE new reporting competition, the newcomer is definitely running laps around the established institutions by reporting more slowly but getting far more context and analysis in the process.

Monday, May 27, 2013

Can't Get No Respect



I don't understand the pure vitrol some people hold against EveNews24.com website.

I was in the Eve Podpack Skype channel and had this line while some typical EN24 bashing was occuring:
I don't get why respectable people let him "syndicate" their blogs
Well, being one of the aforementioned syndicated blogs I spoke up in my flippant way.
ISK, sweet ISK for nothing
 Its not actually for nothing. I spend effort and time writing my posts but I write them for my blog and EN24 pays me a small ISK fee to republish certain posts as they see fit on their site. The response from the other person was:
Not for nothing, you are now associated with his shitty site
 Someone else piped up:
sure Ripard gets 125m ISK for each syndicated piece
now at 1 article a week, that's a free account right there
for doing nothing other than what he was already doing
(Disclaimer: I do not know how much EN24 pays other bloggers for their posts and I do not know if the number quoted above is accurate.)

To which the first responded:
except for selling his dignity
See? EveNews24.com can't get no respect. The discussion went on for a little while with the point revolving around whether or not EveNews24.com has any value or not due to preceived biases and "bad reporting". Obviously I'm biased in that I'm paid by the site for my occasional posts but I do want to say something.

I wrote for Eve Tribune and did editor duties for years and I know the effort that goes into a public news site. For something like EN24 or TheMitanni.com where timeliness of reporting is as important as accuarcy and I can sympathize with the effort and imagine it must be even more difficult with people actively trolling you with supposed "leak" mails and comminques.

And does anyone remember what reporting used to be like before EN24? Having to go to forums like Corporation, Alliance, and Organization Discussion (AKA CAOD) on the official forums or Scrapheap Challenge and wade through thousands of "you mad, bro?" posts to get to any possible good meat and having a 50/50 chance its pure shit anyways? When EN24 started and pulled the reporting into one site with a modicum of fact checking I send an email to Czech Lion personally thanking him for his hard work.

As for the bias of EN24, I'm fairly removed from any null sec politics right now so I can't tell you if its bad or really bad. I know some items seem sensationalistic and others could use tighter editing, but I also remember its a volunteer run site and could close up tomorrow if the operators have had too much. It takes a lot of work and I take it for what it is: another slice of the Eve metagame.

I have no problem whatsoever with my blog or me being associated with EveNews24.com and my dignity is just fine.

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For the record, I think TheMitanni.com is a fine site as well.

Thursday, October 11, 2012

Who Is Winning the News Site War?

Full disclosure: I'm paid for posts from my blog that the editors at Eve News 24 syndicate. So I'm one of those terrible syndicated low quality blogs that TheMittani.com talks about.

Who is winning the news site war? As the battle between EN24.com and TheMittani com continues, my opinion is that the former has stepped up its news reporting while dialing back the number of published syndicated blog posts, while the former's news reporting has dropped slightly but the number of guest "articles" has increased, articles that could be blog posts of their own.

I decided to look into the numbers on Google to see what some basic stats say:



The number of subscribers and posts per week are virtually identical, but the steadiness of the posting rate at TheMittani.com is obvious over the more erratic publishing at EN24.com.

Right now it feels like a dead heat. The question is, can Riverini and whatever help he has keep pace with the large staff TheMittani com boasts? Or will TheMittani com find its cluster sources drying up as interest wanes and it struggles to report news outside of the CFC?